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Topic Started: Jan 21 2008, 02:46 AM (1,199 Views)
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I'm not sure about this.
I know many people who are very cautious about their weight when people ask them suff like how much do you weigh, or when a teacher is talkingabout Fatrelated things i tend to see some of my friends just trying to avoid it and stuff.

I have a friend who is Christian and he recons that the only reason why we have things like Sports, P.E Classes and all that so that they can force the overwieght kids to get fit. My friend believes that everyone should be the way they are if the are
skinny,normal,fat,humungous whatever you want to say,

My friend got up and argued over the fact that he thinks that the world is just encouraging everyone to be fit and slim, though he wasn't fat he still argued.

He argued that teachers shouldn't be teaching things about weight,fat related things and that.

So is anyone here overweight and get uncomfortable about this kind ofstuff?, and do you belive that teachers, or probaly most people are trying to make everyone fit.
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To start with, I believe everyone has the right to look good. If someone is fat and can still look decent, has confidence and doesn't want to change, that's OK. However, I highly doubt that anyone who has experienced fat wouldn't want to be leaner. Saying he should stay the way he is (fat), that he can't change that and that we should all live our lives happy the way we are is mean, demoralizing and plain gibberish.

People are not equal, we all know that. Some have big flaws like mental retardation, certain handicaps etc. and some are just fat. I don't see a reason not to correct that small flaw when it's already possible.

But, losing fat and getting lean is not as easy as it seems. A couple of gym classes surely won't help <censored> if that kid is overeating on junk food and is sedentary the rest of the time. It can only be counter-productive, demoralizing for him/her if he can't be good at sports or some exercises like the other kids. Leading to a far greater chance of getting all depressed and letting it go than trying to work on it. We all know how mean kids can be - a small laugh in the gym class for them can create a lifetime trauma for someone else.

So yes, I agree that the teachers shouldn't force those overweight kids, albeit for different reasons that Damaged's.
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Alright I have a few points to give.


1. PE aka Gym class is in schools not to make fat skinny, but because exercising is healthy for you.

2. Its up to the person if they want to be overweight or not, but truth is being overweight isn't healthy. There are more chances of you having health problems being overweight than a fit person. Just like being too skinny isn't healthy either.

3. Do I think overweight people should try and lose weight? Yes I do. I don't mean to be the jerk around here but truth in truth is I am not sure Id be able to date someone thats overweight.

4. Although I have said its up to the person if they want to be overweight or not, I would never encourage them to go that road, Id encourage them to exercise

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Eh, well, I can safely say I'm an overweight guy but my philosophy is that I'd rather live 'till 55 and enjoy life rather than live 'till 85 and always be reading the sticker labels on food and calculating my calories and spending two hours running with a water bottle in my hand then have to come home and wash my stinky ***** off.

Gym is forcing fat kids to be skinny? Not really. It's sort of just to get exercise, I mean, there are two kinds of fat people really, healthy fat people and unhealthy fat people. I'd consider myself in between, even if you don't lose weight but you still exercise and you're fat you'll be in a lot better shape than even some skinny people. I myself suffer chronic sinusitis and reactive airway disease, which is part of the reason I went from a fit kid when I was younger to my present state, plus I lost most of my healthy habits when I moved and lost all my friends.

It can be tough though, I was mentally abused when I was in 6th grade because of my weight, had ice balls the size of a man's head thrown at me until I was bleeding unconscious in a snow bank because they didn't like I was fat (well, I think I might've laid there for awhile, I may have gone in and out of consciousness cause it was pretty cold, maybe I slept I dunno, my head wasn't bleeding, wasn't nearly as bad as it sounded, I think I just scraped my knee on a rock or something), and since my accident on December 2nd, 2007, when I do a simple fast paced-walk due to pain in my back that does not allow me to run much, as prescribed by my Chiropractor, my Gym teacher and other teachers question this and look at me like I'm stupid and I can tell they have that look, "you're fat, you need exercise, you're making bullcrap up to get out of it, exercise" is basically the gist of what they're saying. A fit football player was in my situation and he was passed off easily no questions when he had similar symptoms to mine after he messed up his leg in practice, why? Because he's fit.

As yankees pointed out he wouldn't date an overweight person. I wouldn't either, it's just not attractive. Double standards I have? Sure. Most guys are like that anyway, and I don't doubt an overweight girl would think any differently, I don't intend to get a date for at least ten years anyways. I could go the politically correct way and say "we're all beautiful inside", but, then, I'd be lying. The media pressures people to be fit, especially girls. I've felt it too, but, after a few tries of exercising, I realized that the only benefit I would get out of it was maybe some confidence, and it was too annoying to run around all day and miles over to the next town like I used to, so I quit.

Some people are skinny and don't want to be fat, or fat and want to be skinny, but, there are worse things in life. I wish more people would think like me, and not let others think for them. I take great offense when I am insulted for my weight, and usually I'm very self-conscious in Gym class, but I really don't care in the long run, because I'd rather let it happen a few more times than beat myself up over it and force myself to be something I'm not, or to be something others would like me to be. I tend not to focus on a lot of the things people are concerned about. Between both sexes, though, more so with women, the question is "Am I too fat?" and if they find the answer is yes, at least in their eyes, they take up their spare time trying to lose weight.

With guys specifically it's usually something like, "if I worked out more, could I be more attractive?" or "is my penis too small?" again, I don't really care. People take up all their spare time with such meddlesome crap, I'd rather just nap or buy new speakers, or watch a few episodes of Psych. Sheesh, the world needs to lighten up.
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Jan 21 2008, 03:46 AM
I know many people who are very cautious about their weight

Yeah, but maybe that's how people see themselfs so avoiding it is the best way for them, I wouldn't know how much I weigh anyway, hardly ever check.

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I have a friend who is Christian and he recons that the only reason why we have things like Sports, P.E Classes and all that so that they can force the overwieght kids to get fit.


You're friend is an idiot, you can tell him I said that if you want. PE is just a way to get exercise, some kids at home don't get the privlage to go outside or do exercise. Plus sports allow more than just getting fit, you can learn other skills from them like communication.

I liked PE for most part, if there was something I didn't want to do, I'd let my PE teacher know that I didn't want to do it and I'd just skip that part, though I did most things, there where some I wouldn't do.

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My friend got up and argued over the fact that he thinks that the world is just encouraging everyone to be fit and slim, though he wasn't fat he still argued.


Oh I don't disagree on that mostly, I mean the media is passing round images of people being thin, models and such, makes other people want to be like them. Fit I wouldn't say but slim yes, though undereating doesn't help you in the long run.

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He argued that teachers shouldn't be teaching things about weight,fat related things and that.


But then people would be ignorant to the issue of weight and everyone would get fat.

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So is anyone here overweight and get uncomfortable about this kind of stuff?


Dunno, I'd say I was fat but people disagree so eh |:
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i'm average, quite toned and very active, but i don't see much wrong with being overweight, as long as there sort of healthy,

i like P.E, i don't think it's meant to make fat kids slim, rather let them see the fun in being active, and a lot of fat people like to do sports and being active, whether it's something easy like walking, or something more extreme like football

If an overweight person wanted to lose weight, then i'd say go for it, if they were happy with being overweight, then that's fine too, as long as there sort of healthy

teachers should teach kids about healthy eating, even if it's just to give them a choice

btw, i'd rather date a chubby girl, than someone who is really underweight, when i make out with a girl and i can feel her ribs, that does not attract me >_<
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I don't have weight problems, but I think I would feel uncomfortable if I knew that I had overweight.

Talking about overweight related things in school isn't wrong as it surely makes clear that too much weight is a problem and dangerous for your health and also for your mind.

Of course, things can go too far and people should never be discriminated because of their wieght or their outward appearance in general. I really admire people who are fat but happy and self confident, it's a prrof of a very strong character.

As I thik of it, it also matters socialy in a positive way. People won't like you because of the way you look, but they will like you for who you are, for how you are.

As a conclusion, I think that talking about fat and the consequences of overweight problems is necessary to point out the dangers. But it can go too far. As long as you feel comfortable the way you are, there is no need for a change.
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I have to say there were some shallow comments in this thread. I'm not going to mention anyone's names, but this is exactly why the world is the way it is. Some, who are overweight, truly cannot help themselves. Of course, I think anyone who is excessively overweight should consider eating healthier foods and exercising. However, this is not the world we live in.

The media creates a false image of what people should look like. Did you know that in the 1500's overweight people were considered beautiful? Why? Overweight people where considered wealthier and healthier because they could afford to eat. If you were skinny, you were considered ugly. I guess the world has different perceptions of beauty as time changes.

I am a P.E major. No, P.E is not meant to make fat people into twigs or anything like that. It is to help those kids make healthier choices for themselves or give them other things to do rather than drugs and alcohol. P.E is as important as English. Your body and your mind need the proper nutrition and exercise or else they cannot function properly.

I weigh 121 lbs, and I'm a size nine in jeans, which I consider normal. A size 11 now is considered....plus size. I'm thinking to myself what? My hips and thighs would NEVER fit in anything less than a size nine. I guess I'm almost plus size. Sorry, I don't think I will ever be a size one or two. This is how bad the media is when it comes to body image. :=]:
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Jan 21 2008, 02:29 PM
I have to say there were some shallow comments in this thread. I'm not going to mention anyone's names, but this is exactly why the world is the way it is. Some, who are overweight, truly cannot help themselves. Of course, I think anyone who is excessively overweight should consider eating healthier foods and exercising. However, this is not the world we live in.

The shallow comments you were saying, MOST of the guys would say it anyways. I have no problem with overweight people at all, and yes the media creates false images of beauty. In reality all of us have a shallow part in us, whether you admit it or not. Why lie to ourselves? I don't care I'll say it I don't think I'd be capable of dating an overweight girl or a girl that is way to skinny and looks like has more bones than anything else.


As for the food labels I don't look at them, but I pretty much know what I should and shouldn't eat. I think its also dumb for those people that are always looking at food labels to be completely healthy.

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You CANNOT assume that all people have a shallow mindset whether it is major or minor. Some people are genuinely good. It's not your place to make an accusation unless you have proof to back up your bold statement.

What would you do yankeeshater if your future wife had a few kids or got God forbid had an accident and had become overweight? Would you not love her anymore? This is the assumption I made from your statement yup yup.
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Its really easy to make assumptions especially since there isn't ONE perfect human being. Thats right no one is perfect and I don't care what anyone says.

As for your questions, no I wouldn't leave her or anything, but one it doesnt make sense people won't get fat in accidents. They either get fat by eating too much or some kind of syndrome or whatever it is that they are born with. which would mean they start getting fat when they are young. Meaning that whoever I married would most likely become fat from eating too much. YES, I'd encourage her to lose weight. Heck I'd go with her exercise every day to. Same way that if I ever get fat I want someone to strongly encourage me to lose weight.

My expectations are always same for both sides, I treat and respect someone same way I expect to be treated and respected.

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As for the food labels I don't look at them, but I pretty much know what I should and shouldn't eat.  I think its also dumb for those people that are always looking at food labels to be completely healthy.

Well, think again.

Calorie counting is overrated. When it comes to diet planning and weight loss, it's a must. Otherwise you'd never be sure whether you're overeating or undereating. This way, I can be confident that I am doing the right thing with my nutrition, that I am going to lose fat progressively, and trust me - I'm as healthy as it gets. Sure, eating all the right foods may suffice, but if you would find yourself in the skin of one who can gain fat and who has to work in order to lose it, you'd rather read a few labels and be sure that you're doing the right thing and make it work than blame it on the slow metabolism or whatever later. Like I've said, it's overrated, I can get all the counting done in 5-10 minutes/day, and I mean every single calorie. A small price to pay, I reckon...



Oh well, that was a small off-topic. I would also like to say I agree completely with everything that Corrupt[ed] said, except for the part:

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but, after a few tries of exercising, I realized that the only benefit I would get out of it was maybe some confidence

It can be done and it's not that difficult at all. Keeping all the muscles or gaining some while staying lean - yes, that's hard, but just losing fat isn't. It just takes some knowledge and patience, not nearly as frustrating and painful as most people make it. Hell, when I'm trying to lose fat I eat *more* food (healthy food though) than usually.

I believe that all the "media-creates-wrong-images-of-beauty" talk is also overrated. People don't want to be super skinny or to look like models, they just want to feel comfortable in their own skin. Lean=pretty in most cases, it has been this way since the beginning of time.
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I believe that all the "media-creates-wrong-images-of-beauty" talk is also overrated.


I so agree that the media talk is overrated. For every single thing the media is blamed. When in reality I would blame people for still listening to the media. I mean it is in our nature, human being nature to judge someone at something doesn't mean everyone judges on the same thing. But we all judge. Also we have our own free will, the media doesn't make us do anything. Its the stupid people that actually try to do what they see on tv.

P.S This was not intended to offend anyone. Sorry if anyone was offended by it.

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The media plays a large role but it's not the single underlying cause.

AngelicHottieDS, we could act all sensitive but really we're just being honest. Hell, I was "shallow" as you put it saying that I wouldn't date an overweight girl, but, I doubt they'd date an overweight guy, so, we're even! Whether most people realize it or not, being fat now is like being Black or Chinese back in the 1970's and 80's. Nobody was really getting murdered anymore but you did get segregated, fat now compared to Black/Chinese now is a paradise compared to it but I'm trying to make a point. When you're fat, you're less presentable, people with beauty and an image is attractive. Whether people do it for a significant other, job appearances, or just to feel good about themselves, there's always a reason that leads them to do it because fat people are segregated against, even by other fat people.

Oh, and SS3, I don't really care. I NEVER said it was hard, I just realized it was stupid to even try when I'm already happy. Plus, it's considerably harder for a guy with multiple diseases, brain injury and serous back/neck injuries compared to a normal average guy (to my knowledge you don't have any impeding health issues, but, I'm assuming, which is bad, so correct me if I'm wrong.) I don't eat too much, I just sit at the computer too much, that's all. I don't care about that bitchy nonsense, "It's nawwwwwttt healthy thoooooooough."
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I'm not discussing that corrupt[ed]. I just want to make sure people here aren't saying that overweight people are unnattractive. Since there are some who admitted that being overweight is unnattractive, then we can assume that those who do not have big breasts, muscles, butts, etc. are unnattractive as well. It is the same concept. Those are the aspects one must have in order to be flawless in this society. If you do not have what is considered "beautiful" in today's society, then plastic surgery is the way to go. Whatever happened to accepting inner beauty and appreciating differences?

Ss3 you say the media is overrated, and it does not create a false image. It is true that there are those who are weak minded and believe what they see. However, if you look at magazines, those are targeted at young girls. My classmate, in my GE Research Technology class, did a survey on young girls. Most believed that showing more skin was attractive and appropriate. Why did they perceive this as true? It's because of what they see on MTV and celebrities such as Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, etc.
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